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Beyond the autism component. The effect of intelligence in social situations.

vergil96 said:
@Neri do you socialise with other artists? How do you do it? All I've found is either internet groups or crowded offline events, it's not something I can navigate. I'm also trying to help a friend find ways to socialise with other artists and she can't for similar reasons.
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I do. I just started a music program, so I'm mixing with musical folk. I like to go to festivals, I meet creative and deep thinking people there, although festivals can be tough on my brain for sensory reasons. I have a visual artist friend as well, but, she is back in nthn new south wales, where I just left. I met her when we both studied Mental Health Peer Support.

I did join a community hub that run art, drama and music groups when I got here. I've attended one art and a few of the music events. I live in a very artsy city, Melbourne. I've only been living here for a bit over three months though.

I lived in an artsy area before that, as well; the Nimbin-Lismore area. Mainly I met people through the Mental Health Peer Support circles I frequented. Just before I left I was part of a art/craft group through a support org I was involved with, and a music therapy group and I was in a choir for many years, which was a choir for people with lived experience of mental health challenges. Lismore and Nimbin are absolutely FULL of artists and musicians, many have mental health challenges alongside.

I have plans to attend a neurodivergent meet up group here, as well. And when I can, there is an art class accessable to me, but, I musn't try to cram too much into life, it only backfires and I end up in burnout. So I'm starting with music because it's easier for me. I'm a lot more experienced in the musical arena.
 
Masked Man said:
I used to do this but realized that, human beings, by and large, make decisions based upon their emotions and how they "feel" about something. So in social dynamics, people don't want the correct fact, they want people to agree with them.

I quit trying to be right all the time because it kept backfiring on me. If you want to be well liked, you have to choose: you can be right all the time or you can have relationships with others. Choose one.
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If you don't speak up, the person being told the false information will be left to believe it though. Most recent example - Someone was insisting that California was part of the Louisiana Purchase.
Louisiana Purchase - Wikipedia
 
Crossbreed said:
Like here, the vast majority of folks are INTJs & INTPs.
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I have got several different results different times on different sites. The most common seem to be INTP and ENFP. Please explain. 😳
 
FayetheAspie said:
I have got several different results different times on different sites. The most common seem to be INTP and ENFP. Please explain. 😳
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I've been trying to figure this out from time to time for a few years.
 
FayetheAspie said:
Which is less likely?

1. An enfp who reads encyclopedias for fun and can not stop analyzing topics in their mind and needs to understand how everything works and why plus enjoys solving different types of puzzles

2. An intp with an overactive imagination who pretends their bicycle is an airplane and sits over back of the couch pretending that it is a horse and also does crazy science experiments like mixing milk with orange juice in their mouth to see if they really neutralize each other and loves to talk (often too loud and too fast ) and has an almost manic energy when discussing their newest ideas, experiments, or discoveries
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@Crossbreed I am trying to figure out which type does best describe me. Both of these types seem to have highly relatable elements within their descriptions as listed in the quoted comment above.

Note: The enjoying pretend has diminished in recent years, but the rest applies. The pretend part was a major part of my personality until probably about my mid twenties.
 
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If you are like me, the differences are situational. ;)
Sometimes, I need to be decisive.
Other times, I need to be attentive.
 
FayetheAspie said:
If you don't speak up, the person being told the false information will be left to believe it though. Most recent example - Someone was insisting that California was part of the Louisiana Purchase.
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Indeed. Forcing us to be reminded of the following:

"that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation"

-A portion of a work from a well-known bestseller. (1925)

An awkward way to explain that a big lie is more plausible than small one. Especially when crafted with deliberate intent.
 
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Neri said:
My brother thinks I'm intellectual, I'm not. I consider myself a creative. My Dad is an intellectual. He just got his PhD.
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I see you as being primarily creative, also, but you can be both.

E.G.:
Humour is an avenue of my creativity (fueled by caffeine and ADHD, btw). :cool:
 
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Neri said:
I just feel cringey about hanging out with people in a social context based on "smartness" , intellectual acuity.

I just watched a short of Jung, talking about "intuitive introverts", that's me. He said intuitive extroverts are your hunters, gamblers, wall street stock brokers, those kinds of people. Intuitive introverts have a far more difficult path, socially, that is, because we have powerful internal experiences and these are not very wise to try to explain to people, because they are not going to be understood. That's what Karl Gustav Jung said. So no. I don't think I would fit in with your everyday above-average intellectuals. But, I, probably, would have had great conversations with him though, Jung, that is.
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I am not a ppl person.
I think most who know me realise that. :p

Part of the problem is that my thinking is rather complex, so much so, that most overlook the messages embedded into my comments, especially my humour.
I sometimes have to sit there while ppl just smile and pat my head. <woof>

I'm used to it.
It doesn't really bother me.
Me strong like bull, emotionally. 🐸
Yes, that is a bullfrog, ribbit. :cool:

Since I have no need of social status, I am usually comfortable letting it pass and add it to my data base of the person I am relating to.

I remember times when a person suddenly gained insight into the significance of my "silly" jokes, or generally who I really am.
I chuckle at the other person's aha/eureka experience, when that happens. <chuckle>

This is one of the reasons I am drawn towards more intellectual ppl.
They tend to get me better. :cool:
 
I would love to see some objective evidence of intelligence being learned, eluded me so far. I usually do not care how bright a person is, being conscientious is more important.
 
Ronald Zeeman said:
I would love to see some objective evidence of intelligence being learned, eluded me so far. I usually do not care how bright a person is, being conscientious is more important.
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Well, that was simply the first Google quote I came across to clarify my point.
I didn't spend a lot of time analysing it.

I guess they were trying to say that we can develop intelligent strategies, over time.
I.E.
Develop our critical thinking skills, etc.
 
Jonn said:
I am not a ppl person.
I think most who know me realise that. :p

Part of the problem is that my thinking is rather complex, so much so, that most overlook the messages embedded into my comments, especially my humour.
I sometimes have to sit there while ppl just smile and pat my head. <woof>

I'm used to it.
It doesn't really bother me.
Me strong like bull, emotionally. 🐸
Yes, that is a bullfrog, ribbit. :cool:

Since I have no need of social status, I am usually comfortable letting it pass and add it to my data base of the person I am relating to.

I remember times when a person suddenly gained insight into the significance of my "silly" jokes, or generally who I really am.
I chuckle at the other person's aha/eureka experience, when that happens. <chuckle>

This is one of the reasons I am drawn towards more intellectual ppl.
They tend to get me better. :cool:
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I'm with you😏. I can relate.
My kid is the smartest person I know, my 19 yr old, and, I'm pretty sure, the only person who really gets me.
 
General intelligence is pretty immune to modification, as is being on the spectrum. Must admit measuring it is not
easy in our community. IQ test could be very misleading. Any question in my case could have multiple answers, most not on the list.
 
Neri said:
I do. I just started a music program, so I'm mixing with musical folk. I like to go to festivals, I meet creative and deep thinking people there, although festivals can be tough on my brain for sensory reasons. I have a visual artist friend as well, but, she is back in nthn new south wales, where I just left. I met her when we both studied Mental Health Peer Support.

I did join a community hub that run art, drama and music groups when I got here. I've attended one art and a few of the music events. I live in a very artsy city, Melbourne. I've only been living here for a bit over three months though.

I lived in an artsy area before that, as well; the Nimbin-Lismore area. Mainly I met people through the Mental Health Peer Support circles I frequented. Just before I left I was part of a art/craft group through a support org I was involved with, and a music therapy group and I was in a choir for many years, which was a choir for people with lived experience of mental health challenges. Lismore and Nimbin are absolutely FULL of artists and musicians, many have mental health challenges alongside.

I have plans to attend a neurodivergent meet up group here, as well. And when I can, there is an art class accessable to me, but, I musn't try to cram too much into life, it only backfires and I end up in burnout. So I'm starting with music because it's easier for me. I'm a lot more experienced in the musical arena.
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Thank you for the detailed response!

I see, music. It's much more social than visual arts. Drama too.

Mental Health Peer Support looks like something that you can help meet a lot of people too.

Then there are festivals and events.
 
vergil96 said:
Thank you for the detailed response!

I see, music. It's much more social than visual arts. Drama too.

Mental Health Peer Support looks like something that you can help meet a lot of people too.

Then there are festivals and events.
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It's not like I have a lot of friends, by any means, it's hard to keep with social obligations with my situation, but, my ADHD is very up front, (unless I'm in burn out) and the hyperactivity aspect of that is significant, so I tend to do a lot and get around more during that phase of my cycle. I'm still much of an introvert though and can't juggle a lot of relationships at once.
 
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