Don't approach a women unless she approaches you first.

[Kalinychta]

Not sure why you think most men like it. Most men are going to be rejected so many times before one accepts. Rejection, especially constant rejection, hurts anyone, this type made worse because it is judging you as a potential mate. It's definitely women that prefer the way things are. Ask any women, they have been approached countless times. They do the rejecting.

That’s a fair point. I don’t think men like it, exactly. I mean, a lot of men totally do;—it’s the hunt, I suppose. It’s just that, in general, women who pursue men, women who take the initiative,…well, there are dozens of words in the English language for women like that,—and even before we hit puberty we’re terrorized with those words. We don’t prefer things to be that way;—we didn’t choose it.

 

[Zain]

That’s a fair point. I don’t think men like it, exactly. I mean, a lot of men totally do;—it’s the hunt, I suppose. It’s just that, in general, women who pursue men, women who take the initiative,…well, there are dozens of words in the English language for women like that,—and even before we hit puberty we’re terrorized with those words. We don’t prefer things to be that way;—we didn’t choose it.

Depends on the environment. In western environments, growing up, you probably heard about a lady always at a bar or at parties that approaches guys frequently for sex being called those things, which is apt.
Being the ones that have to approach is a heavy burden. It's not a hunt. You can practice and improve your skills with that. Women look at 3 things: height, attractive face and money. Two are about genetics, the other isn't optimal at all.

 

[Kalinychta]

Depends on the environment. In western environments, growing up, you probably heard about a lady always at a bar or at parties that approaches guys frequently for sex being called those things, which is apt.
Being the ones that have to approach is a heavy burden. It's not a hunt. You can practice and improve your skills with that. Women look at 3 things: height, attractive face and money. Two are about genetics, the other isn't optimal at all.

I’ve never been attracted to a man based on his height, face, or money. I honestly can’t think of even one instance in my entire life where this has been true. Not one.

I think romantic relationships are difficult for both sexes in different ways. Misogyny is totally counterproductive, though. The next time you think about going online to some incel website, maybe open a book instead or go for a walk?—or just do something that will actually make you feel good rather than angry.

 

[Masked Man]

I’ve never been attracted to a man based on his height, face, or money. I honestly can’t think of even one instance in my entire life where this has been true. Not one.

I think romantic relationships are difficult for both sexes in different ways. Misogyny is totally counterproductive, though. The next time you think about going online to some incel website, maybe open a book instead or go for a walk?—or just do something that will actually make you feel good rather than angry.

Men are primarily attracted to women based on appearances. So men project that onto women and assume that women ALSO are attracted to only superficial traits.

Good looks might get you noticed but the minute they open their mouth and dumb/arrogant/mean comes out, it's not going to go much farther.

Try treating women like they are actual human beings and not some strange alien species to conquer.

 

[Tony Ramirez]

Try treating women like they are actual human beings and not some strange alien species to conquer.

That what I did for 6 years and most of the time it didn't work and when it did very little result she always had a boyfriend or husband.

I got tired of busting my ass for little to no results when most treated me like a piece of garbage. That's what turned me bitter. Then I got gaslighted by everyone.

 

[velociraptor]

I can’t even describe to you how alarming this behavior is to us.

When I witness it firsthand it's just unbelievably creepy. Speaking as a male of the species who gets along with women.

Not sure why you think most men like it.

I don't think anyone likes being rejected, but for mentally healthy individuals it's an "oh, well" moment and not a personal affront they need to view as making someone or a group of people the enemy. Mentally healthy people develop a degree of resilience and are able to handle setbacks with aplomb and move into the next issue, or person as it were. BTW, I am far from mentally healthy (hah!) but even I get this.

Women are people, too. They have worries and feelings and needs. Respect this and treat them accordingly and you'll get along. If you just view them as a conquest or a way to satisfy your own physical needs they'll spot you a mile off and do their best to push you a mile off as well (and good on them for it).

 

[Masked Man]

That what I did for 6 years and most of the time it didn't work and when it did very little result she always had a boyfriend or husband.

I got tired of busting my ass for little to no results when most treated me like a piece of garbage. That's what turned me bitter. Then I got gaslighted by everyone.

"It didn't work."

What does that mean? It didn't work how?

Obviously you expected a result. What was the result you were looking for?

As I said - you have expectations. You think if you say the right words and do the right things you will get an expected outcome. Human beings don't work like that. They're not a vending machine.

 

[Zain]

When I witness it firsthand it's just unbelievably creepy. Speaking as a male of the species who gets along with women.


I don't think anyone likes being rejected, but for mentally healthy individuals it's an "oh, well" moment and not a personal affront they need to view as making someone or a group of people the enemy. Mentally healthy people develop a degree of resilience and are able to handle setbacks with aplomb and move into the next issue, or person as it were.

BTW, I am far from mentally healthy (hah!) but even I get this. Women are people, too. They have worries and feelings and needs. Respect this and treat them accordingly and you'll get along. If you just view them as a conquest or a way to satisfy your own physical needs they'll spot you a mile off and do their best to push you a mile off as well (and good on them for it).

I don't view women like that. I just want a chaste lady who wants to be healthy, live a long life and have children. I'm not looking to add women to my body count.
I understand the temperament you're talking about, but it is hard to stay mentally healthy rejection after rejection. Especially when it started from a young age.

I’ve never been attracted to a man based on his height, face, or money. I honestly can’t think of even one instance in my entire life where this has been true. Not one.

I think romantic relationships are difficult for both sexes in different ways. Misogyny is totally counterproductive, though. The next time you think about going online to some incel website, maybe open a book instead or go for a walk?—or just do something that will actually make you feel good rather than angry.

It's hard to believe you. Or do you believe that the 6ft guy just has better jokes and can make you laugh and that's why you were attracted to him? Common.
It's not about feeling good. It is about facing reality and adapting.

 

[Masked Man]

I don't view women like that. I just want a chaste lady who wants to be healthy, live a long life and have children. I'm not looking to add women to my body count.
I understand the temperament you're talking about, but it is hard to stay mentally healthy rejection after rejection. Especially when it started from a young age.

It's hard to believe you. Or do you believe that the 6ft guy just has better jokes and can make you laugh and that's why you were attracted to him? Common.
It's not about feeling good. It is about facing reality and adapting.

Your choice of words would suggest that you have a generally negative view of women and may (or may not, I could be wrong) follow Red Pill tactics.

You should probably be aware that Red Pill in general is a cult. Among other hallmarks of a cult is the continued isolation of its members.

Red Pill draws in men who have dating difficulties and promises them a key to getting what they want, which is access to women.

However, rather than teaching men how to effectively communicate and otherwise overcome their social difficulties, they drill them with garbage. And when men spew out this garbage to women, and they then get rejected, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy, and the rejected guy goes running back to his cult, where they console each other, further strengthening their bond to the cult.

If you're getting rejected over and over again you might want to attempt to find out why. My grandpa used to say "if everywhere you go you smell *manure*, check your shoes."

 

[Uri]

Humans and also women have not changed much since the stone age.

We are still the same primitve, competitive and greedy creatures we always were. It's that just that today we have smartphones and internet.

 

[Masked Man]

Humans and also women have not changed much since the stone age.

We are still the same primitve, competitive and greedy creatures we always were. It's that just that today we have smartphones and internet.

True but what has changed quite a bit in the last few years is that generally women are no longer dependent on men for survival anymore. Whereas men were pretty much guaranteed a wife, now not so much. And I think a lot of men are still struggling with that. Because now they can't rely on just having a job; now they have to actually be a good person and actually treat women like people and not property to be obtained for status.

 

[Zain]

Your choice of words would suggest that you have a generally negative view of women and may (or may not, I could be wrong) follow Red Pill tactics.

You should probably be aware that Red Pill in general is a cult. Among other hallmarks of a cult is the continued isolation of its members.

Red Pill draws in men who have dating difficulties and promises them a key to getting what they want, which is access to women.

However, rather than teaching men how to effectively communicate and otherwise overcome their social difficulties, they drill them with garbage. And when men spew out this garbage to women, and they then get rejected, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy, and the rejected guy goes running back to his cult, where they console each other, further strengthening their bond to the cult.

If you're getting rejected over and over again you might want to attempt to find out why. My grandpa used to say "if everywhere you go you smell *manure*, check your shoes."

Not at all. I view women with the same values as I have as very precious.

 

[Masked Man]

Not at all. I view women with the same values as I have as very precious.

I'm sure you believe that.

 

[velociraptor]

I just want a chaste lady

Uh huh. Dude. The 17th century is calling.

 

[Tony Ramirez]

Thanks @Zain and @Uri.

 

[Aspychata]

And a percentage of women have been in very toxic abusive relationships or were stalked. l was stalked for four years. l have a horrible reaction to men approaching me. Then a guy l broke up with wanted to hurt me as l was exiting his home. Another guy l broke up with sent somebody to hurt me. I moved out of state. These were both lovers. l have ptsd about relationships now. Right now l am back with another guy who is an ex.

 

[tree]

Really I made this fatal mistake and I ended up twice in the hospital for suicidal intentions and nearly a third time.

Even if it's customer service, don't approach the attractive or semi attractive ones. Approach the men or old people regardless of gender.

If an attractive or what I believe is attractive, and I find many women who are not my mother's age or older attractive, then I will talk to her only if she approached me, let me sit next to her by inviting me.

This happened in a meetup I joined two weeks ago with two women, unlike the social disaster of the last ones that ended me on the hospital with a nervous breakdown.

The use of the word "fatal" and having suicidal ideation
over social interaction suggests to me that this is a major
concern which should be discussed with your therapist,
at some length.

 

[Zain]

I'm sure you believe that.

What are you trying to convey?

Uh huh. Dude. The 17th century is calling.

Nothing wrong with this value.

Thanks @Zain and @Uri.

Of course. No problem. A lot of people can be rude and want to dismiss our experiences and opinions from malice, selfishness or ignorance. This can cause a lot of pain for men like us. But people like us should be used to people punching down at us, right?

 

[velociraptor]

Nothing wrong with this value.

Good luck with it, I hope you enjoy an uphill battle.

 

[Tony Ramirez]

The use of the word "fatal" and having suicidal ideation
over social interaction suggests to me that this is a major
concern which should be discussed with your therapist,
at some length.

I have been discussing it with him. He has been a great therapist. He's never gaslighting me on my obsession with wanting single women, even just as friends or wanting to travel. We even like the same music, movies and TV shows.