Antisemitism at home

[Forest Cat]

OK I understand. I sometimes tell people about things that I happen to know about but they don't as much about, while they speak of it, simply because some people are more receptive of new information while others aren't. My intention was not to cause you any exhaustion, only to give information (in general, because I see some people lumping all Muslims as violent or as terrorists here) in case some people are receptive of learning new things. I understand exhaustion, because I have also been exhausted by the ignorance of the people who think all Muslims are the same, it causes discrimination in some people (just like towards the Jews unfortunately), so I'll leave my text only in case that maybe someone else could or would want to learn something new from the post and not lump all Muslims as the same mass. So yeah, I tried to solve things, not cause exhaustion, my apologies. But I don't also want to be accused of violence or terrorism when I'm not one of those people - it is tiring to be constantly accused and attacked by people who don't know nor do they want to know who or what I am. All they see is a terrorist. My intent of sharing any information is never malicious. My apologies again, I hope you accept them.

I'm happy to learn about new things, but not religion. I know more than enough and I have seen more than enough of it. I have met it. That's why I don't want it. You don't have to apologize.

 

[Forest Cat]

P.S. My country has banned the Salafi forums and the active spreading of Salafism, so practically there is mostly freedom of religion, but not full freedom of political religion, so political Salafism here is strictly monitored by the police forces because of the problems it causes. Other Muslims aren't monitored and can practice freely.
The police forces should care, but I know you're probably not one of them so you don't need to care of course.

I just want to live in a quiet, safe, peaceful country. Like the one I grew up in. And not have to deal with all these religious problems all the time. It's a shame having to use time on it.

 

[lunarious]

@Forest Cat ... I don't want to "tag along" and be terrorist. I struggel with diplomacy. So to speak.

But ... we can be friends. I'm from Norway too. But don't attack ANYONE whom hasn't attacked you. @Ivi didn't attack you.

Beware Muslims do Defense. In my Profile/Occupation i study Defense. So i may study some tonight.

 

[Forest Cat]

But ... we can be friends. I'm from Norway too. But don't attack ANYONE whom hasn't attacked you. @Ivi didn't attack you.

You certainly do not tell me what to do. And no, we can not be friends. Forget that. Mind your own business, it's healthier.

 

[lunarious]

OK. Bye, again.

 

[Ivi]

I just want to live in a quiet, safe, peaceful country. Like the one I grew up in. And not have to deal with all these religious problems all the time. It's a shame having to use time on it.

Yes I understand. I wish things will get better some day.
We have the opposite problem because our far-right terrorism is sometimes quite vile, stabbing attacks towards all foreigners and Muslims. I wish it also didn't exist. The far-right group is considered an illegal terrorist organization only in my country, and recently also in the USA, but nowhere else. It's called "the Nordic Resistance Movement" and it's active in the stabbings attacks etc. despite being considered an illegal terrorist organization here. The stabbings happened in my city most, some of the victims were children, so I rarely go to where people go to. It's not safe to go to any crowded areas. I understand the wish for peace, but I can only hope for it. Forests are safe here. I've been planning to move out of the country, so it would be a win-win for all.

 

[lunarious]

@Forest Cat To be fair; I apologize accusing you of attacking @Ivi

You posts are not visible to me

 

[Mary Terry]

Hi, I'm guessing you may be referring to poltical Salafis who take matters in their own hands (this is rebellious towards teir own Islamic Law), if you are referring to very religious people who beat up innocents, am I right? Salafis are often very political as well as religious and some of them become take matters in their own hands despite the religious leaders forbidding this in the cases of Sunnis (Salafis are a group derived from Sunni Islam, so they are Sunnis too, just a different type of Sunnis, as there are many types).
Some groups of Salafis remain actively a-political, because they do not believe that humans can change the world to their liking, so they refrain from all politics (including beating up innocent people) and are waiting for the return of 'Isa (Jesus) who would correct their affears perfectly.
However the Sunnis (which Salafis are too) aren't allowed by the Islamic Law that they're claiming(?) to be following to take matters in their own hands and in any case beat up innocent people (only self-defence would be allowed), so they're taking matters in their own hands in cases like these. If they were in their own imaginary Salafist Shari'ia state, they would receive a physical punishment for the violence. What kind of punishment, depends on the interpretations, as there is no "one Shari'ia" that everyone believes to be true (which is also why some groups of Salafis remain a-political).

People may have the impression that the violent or political people have most knowdedge on their religion - this is the intention to cause division between different groups of people to make people believe that - but this isn't true. I have noticed terrorists tend to have quite a shallow knowledge of their own religion, unless they have made new one for themselves (which is my view). Most of the time those who take matters in their own hands and become terrorist have the most shallow knowleedge about their religion, no matter how "pious" they may look in their thobes etc. They follow a political ideology.

I'm also very religious too, but I'm not a Salafi, let alone a political Salafi. I'm purely Quranic and a-political too, for other reasons. We have many movements and denomonations, and of course different individuals who believe in different interpretations. I know people claim there is only one Islam, but it's not true at all. The only common thing in the different ways of Muslims is monotheism and the Quran if I put it in the most simple terms.

Salafism/Wahhabism is an ideology that was created in the 1700's Saudi Arabia, and is still being funded by them all over the world, despite their current young Crown Prince being against the ideology. However this ideology ended up causing a lot of harm to Saudis too (as the Mecca and Medina are the main targets of the terrorists). The currect Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Muhammad bin Salman, has in his modernization era said a lot of things about banning things that lead to Salafism, as it's been a dangerous political ideology for decades now that Saudis too have suffered from quite a bit.

If they are not Salafis, then they the same still applies, they still take matters in their own hands - I guess for political reasons, how else. But my guess is that if they are very religious and political, they are political Salafis. Salafis "suffer" from the saved-sect-syndrome, and therefore have caused a lot of harm to all the other types of Muslims in everywhere where the political Salafis are. I'm also targeted by Salafis because I'm not one of them. What they hate most is not Jews or Christians, but "heretical" Muslims. They (the terrorists) have caused the most harm to normal Muslims in normal Muslim majority countries. Not all Salafis are terrorists, but as it's often said all "Islamic terrorists" are Salafis from their different Salafi movements.

Muslims need to work on public relations. If only a small sect of Muslims commits all the violence against Jews as you say, then all other Muslims need to forcefully and publicly condemn them, identify them and report them to the authorities. When Muslim terrorists killed thousands of Americans on 9/11/2001 without regard for the religions of those who were murdered and just because the terrorists hated America, it was an act of Islamic terrorism against all of us.

Years ago, I had a very unsettling experience with a Muslim taxi driver in Miami, Florida. A coworker and I were riding in his taxi, quietly talking about how Nazis killed over 50,000 Jewish people in Europe. The Muslim, Middle Eastern driver started screaming at us, claiming the Holocaust was all lies. We were genuinely frightened by him. He ordered us out of his taxi before we reached our destination. We reported his aggression to the taxi company and the police. I hope he lost his job and was deported to wherever he came from. America does not want these people here.

 

[Forest Cat]

I understand the wish for peace, but I can only hope for it. Forests are safe here. I've been planning to move out of the country, so it would be a win-win for all.

We did have peace here Both Finland and Norway had few problems just a few decades ago. Now we are dealing with new problems. I think it's a little sad if you leave, it's your country, that's where your roots are. I don't see it as a win. If something is wrong with Finland, leaving it doesn't help it.

 

[Ivi]

We did have peace here Both Finland and Norway had few problems just a few decades ago. Now we are dealing with new problems. I think it's a little sad if you leave, it's your country, that's where your roots are. I don't see it as a win. If something is wrong with your country, leaving it doesn't help it.

OK, I was just trying to be consoling, but I'm bad at that.
I had very different issues in my life in Finland so I won't say anything about that, we had very different issues. My issues were worse in the human trafficking era, but now it's about the fear pof the far-right and not belonging here. The trafficking era was far worse for me, but depends on the people.
No worries, I've been planning to leave for years because of multiple things, not just the safefy but many things, it's not good here for me as for being myself. I personally don't believe in ethno-natiolinism at all, but to each their own. I've felt a lot safer and at-home in my favorite countries than I've ever experienced here, and belonging to there culturally, having most of my friends and beloved there etc. I guess I think "your home is where your heart is" - I've been living in different countries temporarily, and noticed where my heart is, and with whom it is. (I won't say it out loud before moving, because I think saying it out loud will ruin the plan to move magically somehow.)

 

[Forest Cat]

OK, I was just trying to be consoling, but I'm bad at that.
I had very different issues in my life in Finland so I won't say anything about that, we had very different issues. My issues were worse in the human trafficking era, but now it's about the fear pof the far-right and not belonging here. The trafficking era was far worse for me, but depends on the people.
No worries, I've been planning to leave for years because of multiple things, not just the safefy but many things, it's not good here for me as for being myself. I personally don't believe in ethno-natiolinism at all, but to each their own. I've felt a lot safer and at-home in my favorite countries than I've ever experienced here, and belonging to there culturally, having most of my friends and beloved there etc. I guess I think "your home is where your heart is" - I've been living in different countries temporarily, and noticed where my heart is, and with whom it is. (I won't say it out loud before moving, because I think saying it out loud will ruin the plan to move magically somehow.)

Well, your ancestors built Finland. For you and everyone else there. They put a lot of work into it, hard work. So if you feel no connection to it and you don't care what happens to it, that's a shame. It makes me sad. I think roots and family is important. My family was a part of building this country I live in, the least I can do is to take care of it. Or else everything they did, all the sweat and blood, tears and sacrifice, was for nothing. The way I see it, I owe them. And I love this place.

 

[Ivi]

Well, you ancestors built Finland. For you and everyone else there. So if you feel no connection to it and you don't care what happens to it, that's a shame. It makes me sad. I think roots and family is important. My family was a part of building this country I live in, the least I can do is to take care of it. Or else everything they did, all the sweat and blood, tears and sacrifice, was for nothing. They way I see it, I owe them. And I love this place.

I don't follow ethno-nationalism but to each their own. I have a very diverse personal history so saying that Finland is my only home would be wrong. My husband isn't here even. I'm seen as a traitor here. I prefer where my heart is. But this is my decision.

 

[Forest Cat]

I don't follow ethno-nationalism but to each their own. I have a very diverse personal history so saying that Finland is my only home would be wrong. My husband isn't here even. I'm seen as a traitor here. I prefer where my heart is. But this is my decision.

I follow my consciousness. I have debt to my ancestors, they worked very hard to give us what we have now and I have to sleep at night, so ignoring that debt is not something I can do. I have family in Finland also and it just makes me sad that a Finn woman doesn't care about Finland and wants to leave it, that's all. But it's up to you.

 

[Ivi]

I follow my consciousness. I have debt to my ancestors, they worked very hard to give us what we have now and I have to sleep at night, so ignoring that debt is not something I can do. I have family in Finland also and it just makes me sad that a Finn woman doesn't care about Finland and wants to leave it, that's all. But it's up to you.

You do you. Most women do want to stay here. I'm from the wrong faith so they hate me (the women too), and I found a family from my other country that accepts me with my faith and all else that I am. My Finnish family members don't see me as a trator, but many others do. Finnish veterans are the most caring about anyone, no matter what nationality they are, they don't hate people. It's the younger ones who hate others. My family understands why I need to leave as they know my heart is not here.

 

[Ivi]

Muslims need to work on public relations. If only a small sect of Muslims commits all the violence against Jews as you say, then all other Muslims need to forcefully and publicly condemn them, identify them and report them to the authorities. When Muslim terrorists killed thousands of Americans on 9/11/2001 without regard for the religions of those who were murdered and just because the terrorists hated America, it was an act of Islamic terrorism against all of us.

Years ago, I had a very unsettling experience with a Muslim taxi driver in Miami, Florida. A coworker and I were riding in his taxi, quietly talking about how Nazis killed over 50,000 Jewish people in Europe. The Muslim, Middle Eastern driver started screaming at us, claiming the Holocaust was all lies. We were genuinely frightened by him. He ordered us out of his taxi before we reached our destination. We reported his aggression to the taxi company and the police. I hope he lost his job and was deported to wherever he came from. America does not want these people here.

I agree with you, but there is nothing I can do. I'm not part of any community, Masjid, etc. I'm a Quranic Muslim, who is considered a heretic by the Sunnis and targeted by Salafis. Quranic Muslims and Sufi Muslims aren't the ones doing the violence, and we are considered as heretics by the Sunnis/Salafis. There is nothing I can do alone more than I have already done by condemning any kind of violence towards innocents and practicing pacifism. I only know Muslims who are 100% against violence towards innocents, so there is nothing we can do about it. Salafism is a strong ideology over us.

 

[Ivi]

You do you. Most women do want to stay here. I'm from the wrong faith so they hate me (the women too), and I found a family from my other country that accepts me with my faith and all else that I am. My Finnish family members don't see me as a trator, but many others do. Finnish veterans are the most caring about anyone, no matter what nationality they are, they don't hate people. It's the younger ones who hate others. My family understands why I need to leave as they know my heart is not here.

I want to add that the ones who fought most against the terrorist groups were the normal Muslims in their own countries. The Salafi terrorists destroyed their lands and oppressed them more than any other lands or people. Therefore Muslim majority countries tend to have the strictest rules against terrorism.
As for the displaced hatred of innocent Jews or the innocent Westerners by some Muslims, it's about the history of geopolitical disputes unfortunately. If one looks deeply into the history of different countries, it's far more complex than what I'm able or want to to explain here. One must know geopolitical history in detailed terms in order to understand the hatred between (some of) these people, including the hatred towards Muslims by the Westerners. It has a long political history. Unfortunately.

 

[Forest Cat]

It would be nice if everyone could live peacefully the way they wanted to. And not have to deal with drama. It's a nice thought. But we might have to leave this planet and find another one to make that work. And we would probably just mess that up too. It's such a shame that so much time is spent on disagreeing and creating problems. This is time that could be spent on something fun or positive, it's annoying to think about, the wasted time. Oh well.

 

[Ivi]

It would be nice if everyone could live peacefully the way they wanted to. And not have to deal with drama. It's a nice thought. But we might have to leave this planet and find another one to make that work. And we would probably just mess that up too. It's such a shame that so much time is spent on disagreeing and creating problems. This is time that could be spent on something fun or positive, it's annoying to think about, the wasted time. Oh well.

I agree. People always mess up everything.
I'. not surprised about the fact that I just feel mostly lucky that my melanoma has spread. I'm not afraid of dying (only the pain of it), but want to spend the rest of my days with those who love me and focus on my God. I don't want to be remembered in this world anymore, it's too cruel.