I didn't say it was!
The opposite of 'my condition', I said!
In certain ways the way my mind works is opposite to how hers does. Whether that's to do with ASD or ADHD doesn't matter and I couldn't say, only that she shares some of my gene's.
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From a neurotypical's perspective
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The opposite of 'my condition', I said!
In certain ways the way my mind works is opposite to how hers does. Whether that's to do with ASD or ADHD doesn't matter and I couldn't say, only that she shares some of my gene's.
It seems kids of autistic parents can turn out ADHD too. Perhaps both conditions share similar genes.I didn't say it was!
The opposite of 'my condition', I said!
In certain ways the way my mind works is opposite to how hers does. Whether that's to do with ASD or ADHD doesn't matter and I couldn't say, only that she shares some of my gene's.
blitzkrieg
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Both conditions (ADHD and ASD) are indeed genetically linked.
Ah! I did misunderstand then, it was the word faith in the sentence than give me that impression.
Take a look at a few posts above and it will make sense.
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My dad has slightly lower than average IQ and I also wonder if he has ADHD. He's not loud or hyper or anything but still has impulses and lack of motivation unless it's related to his interest (football). He's definitely not autistic though. But I'm not sure if he's ADHD.
My mum had anxiety, depression, RSD and very low self-esteem. She also lacked patience, got embarrassed very easily (like I do), and got overly stressed and would react on impulse by hitting herself angrily or stamping her feet. She was extremely sensitive to other people and how they were feeling and their opinions and behaviours. I have all those too. But I still wouldn't say ADHD, because she was always organised and well-focused, no matter how stressed she was. But she definitely didn't have autism either, because she told me herself that she never felt different nor had trouble making friends when she was at school and didn't have to mask in order to fit in, despite being shy. Usually even the social Aspies or ADHDers know they're different in some ways in childhood.
But having me probably turned her into a nervous wreck I think, because of how awful I was to her when I was younger. I deeply regret it now, and she's no longer here.
My mum had anxiety, depression, RSD and very low self-esteem. She also lacked patience, got embarrassed very easily (like I do), and got overly stressed and would react on impulse by hitting herself angrily or stamping her feet. She was extremely sensitive to other people and how they were feeling and their opinions and behaviours. I have all those too. But I still wouldn't say ADHD, because she was always organised and well-focused, no matter how stressed she was. But she definitely didn't have autism either, because she told me herself that she never felt different nor had trouble making friends when she was at school and didn't have to mask in order to fit in, despite being shy. Usually even the social Aspies or ADHDers know they're different in some ways in childhood.
But having me probably turned her into a nervous wreck I think, because of how awful I was to her when I was younger. I deeply regret it now, and she's no longer here.
First time I realised you were NT.
It explains some things.
I call autism a social disability.
The comorbidities make things more "interesting".
I would prefer maintaining the intellectual aspect, as well as having respect for both objectivity and Truthfulness, but jettison other elements.
ADHD, Executive Dysfunction, poor working and short-term memory, being socially confused & misrepresented, are things I could do without.
Getting in trouble, as per usual, I see.I didn't say it was!
The opposite of 'my condition', I said!
In certain ways the way my mind works is opposite to how hers does. Whether that's to do with ASD or ADHD doesn't matter and I couldn't say, only that she shares some of my gene's.
brandybild
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Yes, indeed. Born in the early 50's, I went through childhood and teens being called "weird" 10s of thousands of times, a dozen or more daily, it seemed. Of course, I did not like it but early on, there was not much I could do about it. Not wanting to be called "weird" inspired me in my late teens to find out what behaviors etc inspired people to label me as weird and say it out loud to my face. I learned that everyone noticed I did not look them in the eye, so I learned to fake that by looking at a spot on their forehead just above their nose - not in the eye, but close enough to duck their criticism. I learned to monitor (mentally) my usually blank/emotionless facial expression, and force myself to "put on a face" that would be more appropriate, which I learned by watching movies and using a mirror to mimic actors. It takes some work, but I mostly do it, and it's been a while since I have been called weird out loud within my hearing. (I'll never know what others are thinking, but I'm happy that they don't SAY it out loud any more in my presence.) This "acting" is of course tiring, and distracting from the inner thoughts my mind produces constantly but has been helpful in making friends with NTs. Also, having a high IQ and being able to suggest alternate solutions to problems has been a huge help to being accepted. There are times, many days, when I need to get totally away from people because I am worn out mentally from trying to play-act the role of an NT. A 20 minute break is usually enough to "reset" my mind and go back into the fray.
Speak for yourself!Getting in trouble, as per usual, I see.
Ha.You need to work on that.
BTW:
Am I annoying you?
If not, I will have to work harder.
Ha.
Ha.
No need for you to work harder at it. It now seems it's just coming naturally.
You fit in here too well to be neurotypical, haha. But it makes sense given you have an autistic brother. It's a not a black and white thing. I was diagnosed because of adaptation problems after covid. I wouldn't be diagnosed if it the going online and back on campus never happened. I saw mental health specialists before and they said no, you don't have Asperger's, because you don't have deficits. Then it turns out I became terribly overstimulated a few years later to the point that it looked a lot like depression. I don't have the social traits or learning difficulties (quite the opposite). Some people in my family are diagnosed with ASD, some never were, because it wasn't a thing in their times, but are obvious examples, like my grandpa. (I don't share my diagnosis with family or most people, actually) I could spot some similarities before, but a diagnosis meant clinically significant problems, right? I'm doing fine socially and studying, working. I fit more the "average neurotic introvert" profile if anything. It's not all that black and white. There are traits of the nervous system that contribute to autism, but they don't have to result in pathology, it's like blue eyes like someone mentioned. In my opinion - it's a less common neurotype and you're likely to malfunction if you don't know how to use it, its strengths and weaknesses. If you try to fit a square peg into a round hole. I'm a good scientist, but would burn out quickly in sales, because shops drive me crazy and talking to people many hours a day makes my brain into a mush.
I remember once on another forum someone reckoned everyone on the spectrum has the social mind of a newborn baby. I just couldn't bear knowing that, and anyway, I wasn't exactly delayed socially until I started school and even then I wasn't delayed socially in every way. Just compared to my peers I had behavioural problems and anxiety which made me behave like I was younger but I still was never oblivious to other children or their body language, facial expressions, etc.
But when I expressed disgust at the thought of having the social mind of a newborn, they just said the old clichéd "you may suck socially but that still doesn't mean you're stupid, because you have other skills and so are useful in other ways". I hate when people say that though. You know how women get offended about being stereotyped as housewives that can't do technical tasks such as engineering or technology? Even if you say "women may suck at the technical stuff but that doesn't matter because women are great at other stuff, maybe better than most men". It still doesn't reassure the activists for women's rights.
So it's the same with this autism thing. It's inaccurate to stereotype all autistics as being completely clueless at all social things but clever otherwise. I hate that. I don't want to be clever, unless it's socially or emotionally or creatively. I don't want to be intellectually clever. I'd rather be better socially.
But when I expressed disgust at the thought of having the social mind of a newborn, they just said the old clichéd "you may suck socially but that still doesn't mean you're stupid, because you have other skills and so are useful in other ways". I hate when people say that though. You know how women get offended about being stereotyped as housewives that can't do technical tasks such as engineering or technology? Even if you say "women may suck at the technical stuff but that doesn't matter because women are great at other stuff, maybe better than most men". It still doesn't reassure the activists for women's rights.
So it's the same with this autism thing. It's inaccurate to stereotype all autistics as being completely clueless at all social things but clever otherwise. I hate that. I don't want to be clever, unless it's socially or emotionally or creatively. I don't want to be intellectually clever. I'd rather be better socially.
Whoever that was who said that, they sound to me like an ignorant, patronising, and demeaning excuse of a human being who gets their kicks trying to find someone they can lord it over, showing to my interpretation they lack any genuine confidence in themselves.
Apart from the fact that saying everyone on that spectrum are the same is just nonsense, using a description such as "the social mind of a newborn baby" is profoundly unscientific and shows that person's lack of any understanding of the subject, or shows a deliberate and knowing attempt to demean people .
It sounds like that label should more accurately be applied to the person who used it?
Apart from the fact that saying everyone on that spectrum are the same is just nonsense, using a description such as "the social mind of a newborn baby" is profoundly unscientific and shows that person's lack of any understanding of the subject, or shows a deliberate and knowing attempt to demean people .
It sounds like that label should more accurately be applied to the person who used it?
Autistic people can gain Cognitive Empathy through what I call "Intellectual Bridges".
This comes through experience via observation, and analysis/self-reflection.
Being honest with yourself is an important part of this.
Denial of reality never ends well, in my opinion.
It sounds like a far stretch... especially the "everyone". Some, maybe yes, I'm not an expert on that kind of psychology, maybe some people can be described this way? I don't know, but there is a wide range of social skills among people who are diagnosed with ASD.
Yeah, frequently statements like that are far-ranging projections
Hey!
I resemble that remark.
I resemble that remark.
Agreed.
You can be naive...
You can be ignorant...
You can be a fool...
And you can be all of the above...
Generally, we are known for our child-like (not childish) mindset.
Initially, many autistic people are like this beyond the NT's typical age where things change, in my opinion, but the brutality of life, the universe, and everything does influence this to a significant degree.
There are people who take advantage of our inherent naivety.
As my grand pappy used to say:
"We autistic people are the preferred prey of psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists."
What does that actually mean in the context of my comment?You can be naive...
You can be ignorant...
You can be a fool...
And you can be all of the above...
