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From a neurotypical's perspective
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By ASD1, I mean the condition
now known as ASD1,
previously known as Aspergers et al.
(It was just easier to say that way...)
(Hope no one minds my sense of humour. Nothing bad was intended. Was just me being in a funny mood).
Ok, next up.
How many of you that hold a disdain for the DSMs have ever read any of them?
And yes, as a people watcher/ armchair psychologist, this forum is a smorgasbord of psychological gack for me.
And before anyone butts in, I have quite a few issues of my own.
I've been a member here for nearly 11 years, first as just a member then I was offered my admin position by our former owner.
When Brent sold the joint to Satal, he recommended that he keep the staff in place based on the job we did cleaning the place up.
As a staff member here, part of my job here is to read everything that gets posted, especially the stuff that gets reported.
Our report system enables our staff to make decisions based on a consensus of what gets decided in the end.
It is a democratic process not without flaws because for one we are all humans who have a track record of letting their emotions override common sense.
That is the most difficult part of having an objective view.
Often times I don't agree with the decisions, but have to suck it up when my ideas are over-ridden by said process.
Just like a court of law, I present my case and the other staff members have the choice to agree with me or not.
I'm sure many here hate on me because of what I do, while at the same time there are probably just as many that admire me for being able to keep this place in check.
That's pretty much how life works, but bear in mind that this forum is basically run like a club with a set of published rules we use as our guideline.
We don't make our decisions on the fly unless an infraction is so far off base that we have to.
I can tell you that I read DSM IV in it's entirety just to absorb the content of it.
You know, it was actually a special interest in knowing as much about me as was possible on all psychological fronts.
I skimmed III and 5.
In the end, it became quite apparent what exactly their function is/was.
Which is no different than any other medical coding in order for a practice to get paid for their work.
For example, a medical professional can't just say x-ray the broken arm then fix it, there is a process to get it paid for.
If an insurance company or a government agency says that won't cover it, then sorry for your loss, such is life.
How many of you that hold a disdain for the DSMs have ever read any of them?
And yes, as a people watcher/ armchair psychologist, this forum is a smorgasbord of psychological gack for me.
And before anyone butts in, I have quite a few issues of my own.
I've been a member here for nearly 11 years, first as just a member then I was offered my admin position by our former owner.
When Brent sold the joint to Satal, he recommended that he keep the staff in place based on the job we did cleaning the place up.
As a staff member here, part of my job here is to read everything that gets posted, especially the stuff that gets reported.
Our report system enables our staff to make decisions based on a consensus of what gets decided in the end.
It is a democratic process not without flaws because for one we are all humans who have a track record of letting their emotions override common sense.
That is the most difficult part of having an objective view.
Often times I don't agree with the decisions, but have to suck it up when my ideas are over-ridden by said process.
Just like a court of law, I present my case and the other staff members have the choice to agree with me or not.
I'm sure many here hate on me because of what I do, while at the same time there are probably just as many that admire me for being able to keep this place in check.
That's pretty much how life works, but bear in mind that this forum is basically run like a club with a set of published rules we use as our guideline.
We don't make our decisions on the fly unless an infraction is so far off base that we have to.
I can tell you that I read DSM IV in it's entirety just to absorb the content of it.
You know, it was actually a special interest in knowing as much about me as was possible on all psychological fronts.
I skimmed III and 5.
In the end, it became quite apparent what exactly their function is/was.
Which is no different than any other medical coding in order for a practice to get paid for their work.
For example, a medical professional can't just say x-ray the broken arm then fix it, there is a process to get it paid for.
If an insurance company or a government agency says that won't cover it, then sorry for your loss, such is life.
I just read the Autism parts of 4 & 5 that relate to myself & my children so I can address those topics in their current contexts. I think that the diagnosis of ASD was meant to be broad, but I tack on severity levels for clarity's sake.
The organizations that I associate with recognize base autism [ASD1] as being a benign form of neuro-diversity and the severe co-morbids of ASD2/3 being secondary conditions. I do not think that the DSM5 captures that very well.
I don't feel there is enough delineation either, but it is a start.
As in everything written and studied, it is a work in progress.
Then it was an entirely different era. Don't quote me, because I'm not sure if the number I remember is accurate, but nowadays around 20% of school children have diagnoses of ASD, ADHD, dyslexia and the similar. I just finished university, Master's degree (although I changed degrees and universities, so it took me longer, I'm 28 and most people in my degree were older than 25 or 30 too), so graduate degrees are a bit different story, I finished school education 10 years ago or so. A lot of people had diagnoses for education when I was at school, but it seems to be extremely common nowadays.
My oversensitivities become unbearable when I'm tired, overstimulated to begin with. I think it would be best to not become so overstimulated in the first place, not reach the state of "easily triggered".
Same, except I get distracted from feeling emotional and can't recall words. Or it's like in the meme: Greek philosopher level thoughts -> filtered through 7 layers of autism -> 9-year old youtube comment e.g. "World peace is very important"
Or worse in my case. The more tired or distracted I am, the worse my grammar gets.
It did, and she was dismissed despite both her children and sister insisting that she is getting worse and needs treatment *sigh* It wasn't episodic either. It was like, she was a genius and her cognitive performance dropped to below average in many ways, and the doctors were like "she's average [read: it's normal to be stupid]" yeah... but she had genius level intelligence. The psychological testing was also... not suited. My aunt is amazing at mathematics and they asked about it, yeah, but... it doesn't mean she doesn't have other quite severe problems. That the average person is bad at counting doesn't mean she ever will be even with a serious neurodegenarative disease. I think they asked her about vocabulary too, I bet she did well, she knew many languages fluently and was a legal level translator. It doesn't mean she doesn't get lost while going to buy groceries though... if you get what I'm getting at.
Sad high fiveWelcome to the club!
@Misty Avich , I think Blietzkrieg has a good suggestion to secure housing in advance. I struggle with anxiety too - often the best way to shut it down is to have security. Also - I think it's normal to worry about things such as security of housing. In my experience, maybe even most people worry about it, especially in a situation like yours that it was hard for you to get a job and who have a rather average salary, can't work full time and so on. I think anyone would worry and it's a reasonable action to find a way to secure social housing. If it makes you feel better, I would have the same worries if I were you. I used to have similar worries and situation.
Sorry, didn't mean to be pedantic (it comes naturally!).
There's so much confusion and differing opinions on this, it terribly hard to get a good understanding. I appreciate it's partly because no-one really understands the whole thing yet, plus these labels are just labels anyway, thought up for applying support, not for us to understand ourselves.
Oh no! I'm quoting you!
Sorry!I think 20% is rather high to be honest. We'd need to define all the conditions really, but in UK at least, the government publish figures of around 3% to 4% of children with neurodevelopmental conditions.
My main effect is more like a brain shutdown with a sort of tremor attack - mind and body won't coordinate.
Words are randomly hurtling through my head but won't form anything meaningful while the physical voice seem paralysed.
That sounds odd to be honest since as far as I know Alzheimer's is episodic. I'm not a professional so wouldn't really like to conclude anything definite, but I wonder if it's something else? But honestly I'm probably talking out my backside!
No problemOh no! I'm quoting you!
It really is!
Maybe my bad. I say Alzheimer's, because people know what the condition is and as far as the average person is concerned, the symptoms are the same. When my aunt had more physical testing, I can't recall which kind, because it was mentioned only briefly to me, I think she had her cerebrospinal fluid examined and had an MRI and/or CT, Alzheimer's didn't come up, but for sure she suffers from a neurodegenrative disease that had a too early onset. It's unclear which one and we couldn't and can't get her more extensive testing. I hope it clarifies the issue.
No problem
It's natural to be curious about the details if you have more knowledge. I have just found before that giving details of medical conditions, especially at the very beginning of the conversation, elicits negative responses very often, so I avoid it.Thanks!
A hypothetic situation is a situation that has a very little chance of happening. For example, there is almost zero chance of something bad happening to your husband, so there is no reason to worry abut it.
Regarding the difficulty of finding a job – a lot depends on your resume. I’m very good in writing resumes, and have helped several people to find a job.
Once I was out of job for a long period of time, and didn’t know why I was so unsuccessful. I thought that my resume skills were OK, but they were not. I read couple of books on resume writing and used Google to obtain more information about this matter. Now I don’t have a problem of getting a job when I need one.
Things have changed, though – now AI is used to choose suitable candidates for a position. That requires inclusion of keywords and phrases in resume. There are several apps that can find them for you.
I personally like your posts because they are interesting and show a great deal of self-analysis, which is something that I’m not capable of. It seems strange to me that you underestimate yourself. I’m sure that your friends told you how intelligent you are.
"Something happening to someone" is another way of saying "passing away". My husband is a lot older than me and has COPD, so the inevitable will happen one day, God forbid.
Over here résumés (or CVs) just get put in the bin by most employers.
Finding a new job can still take time, so being unemployed might be an issue for a while. I just hope I'll get some sort of unemployment benefits if I'm on my own. I have no savings or anything so hopefully that'll help prioritise me in getting some support.
But I'm not. Even at school I struggled academically. It said so in my reports. I was never a bright person and certainly not brighter than my classmates. We did have a few bright children in my class but I certainly was not one of them.
As an adult I'm still not bright. I can't retain facts and information. I often use poor choice of words on forums then get bullied for it and made to feel like a bad person. Also the other issues I got into on internet forums were from me being stupid and ignorant about facts, and Aspies much cleverer than me used it against me.
My family have said I'm bright compared to my sister but I don't think I'm far off from my sister. She has learning difficulties and I've always felt on the same level as her intellectually.
Same over here. Plus having enough savings to live by until you (general you) find the next job is hard if you earn an average or minimal salary. I completely understand where you're coming from.
@Misty Avich, when I started noticeably failing at school, around 6/7 years old, my school just labelled me as very low intelligence, and told my parents (both academically high achievers) I would make a fine supermarket shelf stacker, and not to expect too much more from me intellectually speaking.
They got me independently tested for intelligence and I came out in the top few percent, and modesty aside I know for all my various failings, I also have a high level of intelligence, but I've also learned intelligence isn't the be-all and end-all of intellectual ability. In fact I've met some really stupid intelligent people many times.
Never put yourself down because society has failed you! It's quite obvious from your posts you have considerable intelligence, whether you see it or not has little bearing on that!
I know you're just trying to be nice but I am not bright, at least not logically or academically like Aspies should be.
Ah ha! Gotcha!
If you were really lacking in intelligence, you've have not considered that I was just trying to be nice! you'd have fallen for it hook line and sinker (not that I was just being nice, but I was trying to be nice as well as making that case). I've considered myself dumb and inept at many times in the past, now I know I'm not, but I know what I do have has it's limits, and if I stay within them, I do ok (don't end up sounding too idiotic, hopefully!). So when others whom I consider to have ability don't see it, it takes me back to my misinterpretations of myself and the downsides that had on me.
First, this was kind of my point about defining intelligence, those are only one very specific type of intelligence (and I worked in a university for 12 years and lost count of the intelligent and academic people who were sometimes totally lacking in any common sense at all! Also, only some Aspies are like that, and I suspect fewer than we may realise, they just tend to be more visible sometimes.
Edward Teller was a phenomenally intelligent academic and scientist, and his contribution to the world was thermonuclear weaponry, and apparently wanted to build an even bigger bomb that would essentially destroy our world (make it unliveable for most current forms of life), without considering the (very high) risks that would carry of inadvertent total destruction. I call that stupid intelligence, and if that's what academic and logical intelligence has to offer, we obviously need to nurture other more important types if we wish to continue.
Personally I see the need for balance, not polarisation, like I said, intelligence (as measured by most) isn't quite the wonderful thing it's made out to be. (I could take that thought much further but that's off topic).
It's a completely different story whether you cope in life. You just need to have average intelligence to cope just fine. On the flip side, plenty of high IQ folks are very impractical and scientific.
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