Does Asperger "have" to be ASD1?

[mysterionz]

I certainly do. But sometimes I wonder if I am the only one who does. Which relates to the other question I have as to whether the way condition affects me is different from how it affects others.

You’re definitely not alone at all. I’m literally scared that anything I say will hurt others.

 

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Does anyone here struggle with miscommunication at all? Like they don’t know how to process thoughts into sensible words that won’t hurt someone?

I struggle all the time. I'm a very good communicator but that doesn't mean it's easy. I think I have an advantage because I always loved reading and so I write a fair bit too. It's amazing trying to write something down and make it sound good for someone else to read, it makes you think more about how you say things and this lesson helps you in the real world too.

Or are you saying ASD 1 people are socially active? If so, would the people diagnosed with Asperger in the 90-s, who are not socially active, be considered ASD 2?

This is where I'm as confused as you are. I think that years ago they just used Asperger's and Autism as the same word, and now they've broken it down in to categories 1, 2 and 3.

But that's only my current understanding, please don't take it as fact.

 

[Polchinski]

You’re definitely not alone at all. I’m literally scared that anything I say will hurt others.

Maybe I have similar fear that you do just manifested differently? I am scared of approaching people because they think I am "unpopular". But maybe what gave me an idea that I am unpopular is the fact that things I say hurt them? So then the source of my fear is the same as yours, just manifested differently?

 

[mysterionz]

I struggle all the time. I'm a very good communicator but that doesn't mean it's easy. I think I have an advantage because I always loved reading and so I write a fair bit too. It's amazing trying to write something down and make it sound good for someone else to read, it makes you think more about how you say things and this lesson helps you in the real world too.

Especially online. One wrong word and a person can get or feel hurt.

 

[mysterionz]

Maybe I have similar fear that you do just manifested differently? I am scared of approaching people because they think I am "unpopular". But maybe what gave me an idea that I am unpopular is the fact that things I say hurt them? So then the source of my fear is the same as yours, just manifested differently?

What if it’s on the topic of “fake claiming”? im only familiar with it because of the controversy of ppl faking multiple personality disorder (a very rare and often controversial condition, that some psychologists don’t believe it exists)

 

[Polchinski]

I think that years ago they just used Asperger's and Autism as the same word,

That was never the case. Asperger was milder than autism. So in DSM 4 they separated severity levels by distinguishing Asperger from Autism, while in DSM 5 they separated them by assigning different levels.

 

[Polchinski]

What if it’s on the topic of “fake claiming”? im only familiar with it because of the controversy of ppl faking multiple personality disorder (a very rare and often controversial condition, that some psychologists don’t believe it exists)

"Fake claiming" on whose part?

 

[mysterionz]

"Fake claiming" on whose part?

friend said I stated that their struggle with BPD was invalid when I copied and pasted some text Luca said about BPD in a post of hers.

 

[Human Avatar]

It would be hard to distinguish me as one or the other I think. Some days I could be considered Aspergers, and on my bad days it could look like Classic Autism .

Unfortunately the labels can’t distinguish all the in between .

It is a spectrum after all.

Oh, I don’t know about classic, but @Moogwizard is definitely classy! All day everyday.

Thank you ! We should start our own classification branch -

Classy Autism

And we don’t mean fancy restaurants…

 

[Polchinski]

friend said I stated that their struggle with BPD was invalid when I copied and pasted some text Luca said about BPD in a post of hers.

I am relatively new here so I don't know members here.

So are you saying Luca has BPD or your friend does?

Also how does the "fake claiming" phenomenon relates to accidentally hurting someone due to ASD?

You seemed to have related the two but I have hard time following since I don't have the context.

 

[mysterionz]

So are you saying Luca has BPD or your friend does?

not Luca (I don’t want to hurt her) my younger online friend (13-14)

Also how does the "fake claiming" phenomenon relates to accidentally hurting someone due to ASD?

Fake claiming means invalidating a real condition somebody has. I’m scared I hurt that person and after some talking they *could* not be truthful about their BPD as they can’t be dxed with it yet since they (the friend) is too young. I had copied and pasted a statement Luca said about borderline in an email to the other friend and they said I invalidated their condition

 

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@Polchinski

You may want to check out this book if you haven’t already it may be able to answer some of your questions you seek on this thread

Unmasking Autism - @VictorR did a review

 

[Polchinski]

not Luca (I don’t want to hurt her) my younger online friend (13-14)

Fake claiming means invalidating a real condition somebody has. I’m scared I hurt that person and after some talking they *could* not be truthful about their BPD as they can’t be dxed with it yet since they (the friend) is too young. I had copied and pasted a statement Luca said about borderline in an email to the other friend and they said I invalidated their condition

You first mentioned "fake claiming" in response number 25. And, in that response, you quoted what I was saying. That makes me think that somehow fake claiming refers to what I been saying in that particular thing you quoted. But I don't see how.

 

[mysterionz]

Maybe I have similar fear that you do just manifested differently? I am scared of approaching people because they think I am "unpopular". But maybe what gave me an idea that I am unpopular is the fact that things I say hurt them? So then the source of my fear is the same as yours, just manifested differently?

What if it’s on the topic of “fake claiming”? im only familiar with it because of the controversy of ppl faking multiple personality disorder (a very rare and often controversial condition, that some psychologists don’t believe it exists)

the point you made on “things I say may hurt them”. Some ppl may interpret some actions like that as such (not in your context, just how we were talking about how we have similar fears that manifest differently)

So then the source of my fear is the same as yours, just manifested differently?

 

[mysterionz]

You first mentioned "fake claiming" in response number 25. And, in that response, you quoted what I was saying. That makes me think that somehow fake claiming refers to what I been saying in that particular thing you quoted. But I don't see how.

Thank you for being civil and respectful btw.

 

[Polchinski]

What if it’s on the topic of “fake claiming”? im only familiar with it because of the controversy of ppl faking multiple personality disorder (a very rare and often controversial condition, that some psychologists don’t believe it exists)

the point you made on “things I say may hurt them”. Some ppl may interpret some actions like that as such (not in your context, just how we were talking about how we have similar fears that manifest differently)

You were talking about the general tendency you have of saying things that hurt people. But now you are saying that its not a general tendency but rather something very specific between you and Luca. If its specific how is it ASD-related? I thought ASD-related thing would have to be general that would occur with multiple people not just with Luca?

 

[Polchinski]

Thank you for being civil and respectful btw.

I had no reason not to be. Because its not like I am objecting to anything you said. I am just plain confused about it since I don't know Luca nor anything that happened between the two of you.

 

[mysterionz]

You were talking about the general tendency you have of saying things that hurt people. But now you are saying that its not a general tendency but rather something very specific between you and Luca. If its specific how is it ASD-related? I thought ASD-related thing would have to be general that would occur with multiple people not just with Luca?

I was talking about the fear of saying things that hurt people.

what had happened was I had quoted a text Luca had stated about her own experience with ppl in her life that have had borderline and how she *may* have signs of it

 

[mysterionz]

I had no reason not to be. Because its not like I am objecting to anything you said. I am just plain confused about it since I don't know Luca nor anything that happened between the two of you.

it’s all okay. There is no drama between me and Luca at all, 100%.

 

[mysterionz]

I had no reason not to be. Because its not like I am objecting to anything you said. I am just plain confused about it since I don't know Luca nor anything that happened between the two of you.

the line of text I sent originated from a thread Hylinan made about borderline where Luca shared her two cents on it/her experience with ppl in her life that have it.