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Would I be better or more miserable if I admit I will accept I will never have a girlfriend?

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It is odd to me when a man seems to believe that he is somehow entitled to a woman of his own. While pursuing a relationship is a right, actually having a relationship is a privilege.

Wise up, boys. Women do not exist to fulfill your destiny, to produce your offspring, to gratify your sexual urges, or to even make your sandwiches. Women exist solely to fulfill their ambitions, not to support yours.

If women are not attracted to you, then it is because you are not attractive to women -- in order to attract women, you must first make yourself attractive to them.

Such simple concepts . . . yet many men seem to believe in non-existent misandrist conspiracies that were set up to reward only those men who are handsome, wealthy, and influential with the 'favors' a woman may offer. Such men will blame anyone and anything other than themselves for lack of 'success' with women.

Boys, if women want nothing to do with you, then look to yourselves to determine why. You don't need to be a genius to figure it out. If you can change what is causing women to reject you, then change it. If you cannot change it, then accept it and get on with your life.
I think what causes a lot of men to feel this way is because when it truly seems that the vast majority of men have no problems attracting women or knowing how to successfully interact with them and it seems the majority of these men never needed help from a dating coach or Pick Up Artist or just never needed help from a seduction Mentor or they just seemed to figure it out on their own.

a large portion of these men likely never had to read a single book on how to successfully date or how to attract women in their whole lives.

While many others are clueless
 
So-called "Self-Help" books were written primarily to provide incomes for the authors, editors, and publishers. It has been my experience and observation that these books seem to do more harm than good, giving their readers a false sense of optimism that is quickly dissolved when the readers first try the methods described in the books -- it is like getting beat up right after they have finished reading books on self-defense.

But that's just my opinion.

Strangely enough, when asked how their relationships started, most people I know have told me that they weren't really looking for a relationship, and that some even reported that their first encounters with their SO's were not all pleasant.

Relationships seem to happen most often when the people involved least expect it -- when they are not trying to impress each other or to show off their best behavior. They see each other for first time as they really are, and not as people who put on acts because they are anxious to make good impressions or desperate for relationships.

I hear more stories about two people who came to love each other long after they had met, and very few stories about two people experiencing "Love At First Sight" and forming a lasting relationship.

Love is something that you have to let happen; it cannot be made to occur after following step-wise procedures in some obscure paperbacks found in discount bookstores. Love is what happens when personal development meets romantic opportunity -- lack of personal development is what puts off many potential partners.

And by personal development, I mean in every aspect of one's personality -- emotional, intellectual, and physical. This covers a LOT of ground, and requires conscious effort on one's part to determine where improvements need to be made and to make those improvements happen.

Sadly, it is the people whose past failures have so blinded them to the possibility of success that they see no point in self-improvement. These are the people who go through life expressing their misery to anyone who will listen and, in doing so, drive away the very people who could help them the most.
 
It is odd to me when a man seems to believe that he is somehow entitled to a woman of his own. While pursuing a relationship is a right, actually having a relationship is a privilege.

Wise up, boys. Women do not exist to fulfill your destiny, to produce your offspring, to gratify your sexual urges, or to even make your sandwiches. Women exist solely to fulfill their ambitions, not to support yours.

If women are not attracted to you, then it is because you are not attractive to women -- in order to attract women, you must first make yourself attractive to them.

Such simple concepts . . . yet many men seem to believe in non-existent misandrist conspiracies that were set up to reward only those men who are handsome, wealthy, and influential with the 'favors' a woman may offer. Such men will blame anyone and anything other than themselves for lack of 'success' with women.

Boys, if women want nothing to do with you, then look to yourselves to determine why. You don't need to be a genius to figure it out. If you can change what is causing women to reject you, then change it. If you cannot change it, then accept it and get on with your life.

I take exception to this for a few reasons.

First of all, this implies that her needs and desires are more important than mine. They aren’t.

You can go ahead and call me entitled. I see myself as a victim (the years of rejection being trauma, even attempted suicide over someone of the opposite sex), someone who’s had his heart broken and disappointed by women way too many times. If you haven’t walked in my shoes, then don’t judge.

I will say this, I absolutely believe I am worthy and deserving of a relationship and deserve much better from what I’ve gotten from women. You might say women have had the right not to be with me. That doesn’t mean they made the correct choice.

I know I’m flawed, I know I’m not perfect, but I’ve had many good qualities ascribed to me, not necessarily that I ascribed to myself.

If I am a good person, as many have told me, shouldn’t good things happen to good people? I often hear that saying, so if I am a good person (and that’s something only others can describe), then I would think (hope) some woman should notice I’m worth being with.

I believe I can treat a woman well, and in the brief romantic experiences I’ve had, I never had a fight or a major blowup with my partners.

Women can also feel sorry for me, too, maybe force themselves to like me or to put my desires ahead of theirs. They can do something for someone else out of the goodness of their heart, and I think women should feel bad for me, quite honestly.

Objectively, maybe I could’ve acted different towards a woman, but if some instances were my fault, I don’t believe all of them were, especially not if a woman tells me I didn’t do anything wrong, and if she’s telling the truth. So, yes, maybe I can bear some responsibility, but not all of it. I think women just overlook something good that falls into their lap.

I can be quirky, have always been socially awkward (though I’ve improved). My therapist still thinks it’ll happen for me, as she says I have a lot to offer (though women seldom take the time to take me up on this) and she said I’m personable.

I believe some of it through the years may have been in my control. Other instances, I think is just bad luck - women cancelling on me not once but twice, or someone showing interest in me for nearly three months before she decided now wasn’t the time for her.

I refuse to give up, and will not stop looking or trying until I’ve found the person, like so many believe I will. This is my life, and it isn’t fair that I haven’t had as much success as I should have, even if I’ve had more success than other men.

I’m not perfect, but I’m worth it.
 
‘Relationships seem to happen most often when the people involved least expect it -- when they are not trying to impress each other or to show off their best behavior. They see each other for first time as they really are, and not as people who put on acts because they are anxious to make good impressions or desperate for relationships.’

So, I’m going to talk about my experiences here. When I finally got my first girlfriend, and I messaged her on OkCupid, did I necessarily expect a relationship with her? It depends on what you mean, it’s not like I told myself she was finally the one and I was finally going to have a girlfriend, nor could I have foreseen that first message would lead to a four-month relationship, but was that what I wanted it to become when I reached out? Absolutely.

The same thing, too, with my second partner. I had my eye on somebody else initially, who kind of faded away, then there was her. I couldn’t have telegraphed we’d sleep in the same bed together a couple of times or get romantic, but I always, always want it to become that.

‘Sadly, it is the people whose past failures have so blinded them to the possibility of success that they see no point in self-improvement.’

I made some tweaks here and there and grew as a person to when I got my first girlfriend and second partner, but I didn’t change drastically, nor did I act too differently or pretend to be something I wasn’t.
 
@BewilderedPerson
Take all the "exception" you want, because my previous post was not directed at you. But this one is.

Keep in mind that "Good things happen to good people" is only half -- no, one-quarter -- of the truth.

Reality dictates that both good things and bad things happen to everybody, whether those people are good or bad.

As for how well being "Good" correlates with romantic success, reality also dictates that it is not enough to be a "Good Person" with "Good Intentions" and a "Good Opinion" of one's self. If a person is otherwise unattractive to others, then those others will not be attracted to them -- plain and simple.

You have supported my original thesis. Go in peace.
 
Take all the "exception" you want, because my previous post was not directed at you. But this one is.

Keep in mind that "Good things happen to good people" is only half -- no, one-quarter -- of the truth.

Reality dictates that both good things and bad things happen to everybody, whether those people are good or bad.

As for how well being "Good" correlates with romantic success, reality also dictates that it is not enough to be a "Good Person" with "Good Intentions" and a "Good Opinion" of one's self. If a person is otherwise unattractive to others, then those others will not be attracted to them -- plain and simple.

You have supported my original thesis. Go in peace.
Okay, so if it’s only a quarter of the truth, maybe good things still should happen to me.

What exactly does one do to be attractive to others? Maybe I didn’t do anything extravagant to be with some of the women I’ve been, maybe it was as simple as someone was asking me questions on OkCupid and I just asked her questions back and she appreciated someone doing that for her, and the next thing I know, we start seeing each other.

Or if someone is talking to me through Hiki and texting, and she’s blushing, telling me I’m great, I look good, maybe I didn’t do anything extraordinary, we just conversed and had common interests and she appreciated how I made her laugh.

If I’m a good person, I’d have to think others might appreciate that. If I can make a woman laugh (and I have, many times), I’d have to think someone is bound to appreciate that.

If I can do something as simple as remember things about a woman (and some of the women I’ve talked to were impressed I remembered stuff about them), I’d have to think someone is bound to appreciate.

I am not proud of my flaws, but acknowledge they exist.

Unless you’re going to call me the most unattractive man on planet earth, then I’d have to think it’s bound to happen for me someday, even if it won’t be overnight. And even if I am the most unattractive man on the planet, I still can say I’ve had some positive dating experiences.
 
Believing there is an imperative in random events is called the Gambler's Fallacy -- "Good things SHOULD happen to me" is a fantasy. "Good things COULD happen to me" is realistic.
 
Believing there is an imperative in random events is called the Gambler's Fallacy -- "Good things SHOULD happen to me" is a fantasy. "Good things COULD happen to me" is realistic.
Genuine question, if I believe good things should happen to me (and they do, they sometimes have), then what is that?

Believing I’ll win the lottery because it should happen to me, that makes no sense.

Believing I’ll get married, having that quiet confidence about me, that I’m an under the radar person who can surprise people for the better, that I have my good qualities beyond just standard niceness or goodness, then yes, I think it should happen to me.

I don’t think a woman will marry me just because I think it should happen to me, but I do know if I keep putting myself out there, even in the face of rejection, waiting and suffering, I believe it’ll happen.

Admittedly, I don’t have the greatest self worth, but I do have a lot of belief in my capabilities.

Edit: When I said good things should happen to me, I meant in the sense good things are bound to happen to me in that scenario, not should in the sense because I deserve to have them happen to me (though I believe that, too).
 
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I just want to at least go on my first date with an actual single woman before I turn 50.
I don’t see why this can’t happen. All of my dates from online dating, though I know you’re hesitant, or you can pay a matchmaker.

It can happen, man. I’m pulling for you, I think (or at least like to think) everybody else is pulling for you, too.
 
So-called "Self-Help" books were written primarily to provide incomes for the authors, editors, and publishers. It has been my experience and observation that these books seem to do more harm than good, giving their readers a false sense of optimism that is quickly dissolved when the readers first try the methods described in the books -- it is like getting beat up right after they have finished reading books on self-defense.

But that's just my opinion.

Strangely enough, when asked how their relationships started, most people I know have told me that they weren't really looking for a relationship, and that some even reported that their first encounters with their SO's were not all pleasant.

Relationships seem to happen most often when the people involved least expect it -- when they are not trying to impress each other or to show off their best behavior. They see each other for first time as they really are, and not as people who put on acts because they are anxious to make good impressions or desperate for relationships.

I hear more stories about two people who came to love each other long after they had met, and very few stories about two people experiencing "Love At First Sight" and forming a lasting relationship.

Love is something that you have to let happen; it cannot be made to occur after following step-wise procedures in some obscure paperbacks found in discount bookstores. Love is what happens when personal development meets romantic opportunity -- lack of personal development is what puts off many potential partners.

And by personal development, I mean in every aspect of one's personality -- emotional, intellectual, and physical. This covers a LOT of ground, and requires conscious effort on one's part to determine where improvements need to be made and to make those improvements happen.

Sadly, it is the people whose past failures have so blinded them to the possibility of success that they see no point in self-improvement. These are the people who go through life expressing their misery to anyone who will listen and, in doing so, drive away the very people who could help them the most.
And over the past decade or more there is a huge dating coach industry or a dating advice industry that has exploded or boomed, and it seems most men or just a large portion man are able to know how to get a girlfriend without seeking help from a dating coach or a dating mentor.

I'm sure it no doubt feels embarrassing at lowers one's self-esteem knowing you had to seek help for that when it seems most others didn't
 
I'm not a fan of leadership type books. Many make it sound like there is only one way to do things, or they are too vague to really be meaningful (for me). They psychologically help some people- otherwise they wouldn't be able to do as well as they are.

@Tony Ramirez , maybe try a dating app but be open to something casual? That way, you potentially get some physical fun without the pressure of trying to go for commitment for either party. Just fair warning, most people for casual are very deadpan emotionally. It is temporary physical gratification, but it can hurt emotionally because most people don't care about other people.
 
Sure no doubt cases like the op are male-dominated but I found another example of a case of a woman being Forever Alone:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/40-never-had-relationship/
I doubt anyone here has ever heard of a woman among either their friends or relatives that has reached an age like the op and has never dated but I'm sure they can think of plenty of guys or men in that situation
Susan Boyle was 47/48 when she became prominent on Britain’s Got Talent. She’d never been kissed.
 
I just want to at least go on my first date with an actual single woman before I turn 50.
I think what you’re already doing—going to yoga—is great. And I hope it gives you confidence to do other things that you may have been afraid to do before. Think about that. Women love happy, confident men—so keep working on that and you’ll have a lot to offer in terms of relationships.
 
Another unexpected case for a woman but I'm sure no doubt that cases like this are male-dominated
What’s your point?
I can clue you in on some female-dominated problems, such as rape (I was nearly raped when I was fourteen, and I don’t think I know a single woman who hasn’t been the victim of some sort of sexual violence), domestic violence, the fact that we’re seen as sexual trophies, that 80% of single parents are women, etc.

So…what is it that you want us to say here? You seem to be wanting us to admit something in particular about women. What is it?
 
What’s your point?
I can clue you in on some female-dominated problems, such as rape (I was nearly raped when I was fourteen, and I don’t think I know a single woman who hasn’t been the victim of some sort of sexual violence), domestic violence, the fact that we’re seen as sexual trophies, that 80% of single parents are women, etc.

So…what is it that you want us to say here? You seem to be wanting us to admit something in particular about women. What is it?
Yes there are pros and cons to being born the male and female gender, but the risk of being chronically alone and single as in reaching a certain decade and never having dated or never having been in a relationship before. Most of those cases tend to be male dominated from what I've noticed over the years and my argument for saying that cases like that are male dominated is whenever I read comments in forums such as this, and also comments on social media such as YouTube.

but I'm also open to the possibility that women just choose not to disclose their case or situation nowhere as much as guys, men do.
 
It works for me and for others. Change your attitude, and you will change your life.

I actually think you are missing a step and I don't think it is necessarily an attitude problem. I think the first step is finding some healing from the past emotional trauma that many of us have went through due to not meeting common milestones while everyone around us meet them without any problem. And many of us experience being an outcast beginning in kindergarten or even before and that just keeps getting reinforced over the years. And going through all of this and not even knowing why we were outcasts or how we were different exactly. Trauma experienced as a child (complex trauma since it is not from one singular event such as a car accident) is a deep trauma. When we were kids, was the answer to these problems to simply "change our attitude"? No, we did not have much a chance if the adults such as parents or schools did not know what we were going through and why. This is an incredibly sad failure of the adults in our lives when we were kids and society as a whole. It is damn near impossible to have a good attitude when you get your emotions pulverized on a daily basis.

I'm not sure you have heard of the polyvagal theory or not, but I think it explains what those with ASD are going through on a daily basis. Basically many of us a stuck in a cycle of fight or flight and freeze. Many of us are caught in a continuous loop and it can be extremely difficult to escape. Our vagal nerves are not working properly which makes it difficult to engage in social functions. I think it is possible to escape this loop but it takes a lot of work and some of us have been in it our entire lives so we don't know anything different. While being in this loop, it causes dysfunction and additional difficulties in life from work to relationships which can cause additional small traumas to pile up. It is a vicious cycle, and one which myself, and I suspect many others have not been able to escape on a day to day basis.

So I think the advice to just simply change ones attitude is unhelpful at best and at worst simplifying the solution down to this is a bit of a slap in the face. It discounts the difficulties and pain we have experienced despite how much effort many of us have put forth without seeing much in the way of success.
 
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